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This has been copied from the LA School, seems like a fascinating and timely survey. We should have a group of teachers to tackle this indeed complex treatise:

Anyone want to read and discuss Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus?  It is extremely difficult, but in terms of reading something of importance, you can't go wrong--like or dislike its contents.  Wittgenstein is still a controversial figure: for example, Alain Badiou tries to defend traditional philosophy from Wittgenstein's "antiphilosophy" in a recent book.  He takes a stand against Wittgenstein's "sophism" as a trivialization of the serious tasks of philosophy. Is such a trivialization the only serious task?  Does Wittgenstein get the last laugh?  

Wittgenstein, from On Certainty: "I am sitting with a philosopher in the garden; he says again and again 'I know that that's a tree,' pointing to a tree that is near us.  Someone else arrives and hears this, and I tell them: 'This fellow isn't insane.  We are only doing philosophy.'"

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Does anyone have Jordan's email they could pass along to me?

Sounds great - I will be in Paris until the 12th. Let me know what you have planned.
Cheers, M.

robert gorny's picture

hey all,
hey dennis, hey matt,

think you know, that i'd partake.
we should just start discussing the text in a non-hierarchical group.

i'll scan the german version (for the germans) but i would then start reading it in english and french. i think we cannot avoid to have an introduction to some french plays on words... i will look for some secondary literature as well.
(mail@relationalthought.com)

nevertheless am i anyway about to organize a kind of 'deleuze for architects'(or non-philosophers)-class trying to give a general overview on assemblage-theory and implications over the last decades, including critiques of parametricism, folds and such nonsense, no wait, senseless things. =)

rg

hey matt,
i don't have your email so i'm just contacting you like this... would you still be interested in a logic of sense reading group? i'd be, and i think there's a few others - should we try and set it up?
d.

Hey guys, no problem! Hope you found our meetings useful!
I could be interested in a reading group on Deleuze's Logic of Sense - if you're interested, let me know.
Cheers, Matt

robert gorny's picture

hi matt,

anna and i won't be able to come tonight. for us it's fine, since we rounded out the discussion really well last week.
if there is another opportunity to tie the discussion into a related topic/related texts we talked about, we might be interested in further discussion.

Hi all - sorry for the late reply - time really got away on me this week. I just realized it s Thursday today. I am ok to start at 8.30 I hope that everyone gets the message.
See you tonight, Matt

caleb berlin's picture

Hi everyone, is it OK if we push this back to 20:30 so a few of us can catch the Ray Brassier talk at n.b.k.?

http://www.nbk.org/diskurs/aktuell.html

Starting at 8.30 is fine for me - I might see you at the talk as well Dennis!

For our next meeting, let's focus on the first 3 sections (especially the picture theory of language). I figure then we can look at sections 4-5 the following meeting, and 6-7 after that. From there I'd be interested to look at some of the different interpretations of the book, or comparisons with other works.

Also, here is the scene from Derek Jarman's 'Wittgenstein' that I mentioned - this is not the "early Wittgenstein" of the Tractatus, but to my mind I've always felt he did a good job of capturing both Wittgenstein childishness and his meteoric temper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TEkGT0BqEA

Anna, for a good summary of the 'showing'-part of saying/showing distinction, check out propositions 4.12-4.121!

Thanks for the post Robert, I look forward to having a look at Hughes' book! (Something else you might be interested in, if you haven't seen it already, is Deleuze's comments on Wittgenstein in the Abecedaire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgG00VZGP0E

See you tonight!
Matt

robert gorny's picture

okay.
here some links to look at, if you are intersted in the wittgenstein house:
1.1: Nana Last: "Wittgenstein's house: language, space, & architecture" (http://books.google.com/books?id=qMrVuTWG_L4C&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q...)
1.2: http://www.unizar.es/seminario/archivos/luis_arenas_la_casa_como_gesto.pdf (spanish, but nice photos)

2: "wittgenstein: the iron cage", a chapter from murphy/roberts: "dialectic of romanticism", including some more introduction and conclusions, if you're interested (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EY984OO9)

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3: concerning our diagnosis of a certain parallelism between wittgenstein and deleuze:
i scanned the entire book. it is of cours totally too extensive to be discussed and since it compares deleuze with husserl's phenomenology it is also off-topic, but i assume the book can't be found in libraries too easily and i just recommend it anyway as a good and clear introduction to deleuze. so for the voluntaries: Joe Hughes: "Deleuze and the Genesis of Representation" (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=275SFZ1B)

"This book makes an original and important contribution to Deleuze studies. "Deleuze and the Genesis of Representation" argues that Deleuze's thought, far from carrying out a critique of representation, is in fact an account of its genesis. Because an account of the genesis of representation is an essentially phenomenological project, Joe Hughes begins by clarifying what the expression 'the genesis of representation' means phenomenologically and describes the way in which Edmund Husserl theorized the production of meaning and representation. Hughes goes on to show how three of Deleuze's most important works - "Difference and Repetition", "The Logic of Sense" and "Anti-Oedipus" - continue this project. The book concludes by directly addressing Deleuze's complex use of language by situating
that use in relation to a Heideggerian critique of Husserl."

see you soon!

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